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Fannish Migration

I know it’s easy to make generalizations about fandom, but in my experience they usually break down on closer examination. I’ve heard all kinds of “fandom is this and that” over the years, but none of these comments come even close to capturing the complexity of any single fandom, much less multiple fandoms.

Just about anything fannish – TV show/movie/book/etc. – will probably have multiple “fandoms” – gen, het, slash, probably more than one One True Pairing, and inspire a variety of fic from fluffybunny to darkfic and everything in between. Plus lots of wars over “true to canon”, “true to character”, etc. If there are ten fans in one room, there will be at least 11 opinions.

Thingswithwings makes a generalization about fandom that made me go *blink*. She brings up an interesting, complicated, and big issue in this post (one that I've commented on in other venues so won't go into here), but she follows up by stating as a given that fans follow their friends and favorite authors from fandom to fandom, and the actual TV show/movie/book/whatever is almost irrelevant. She talks about the fannish hive mind, as if we’ve always gone lockstep in the same direction, and never split or balkanized or gone off in a thousand different directions at once. Her post:

http://thingswithwings.livejournal.com/49928.html

For an interesting response, go here:

http://wistfuljane.livejournal.com/213321.html?format=light

For myself, I have to really enjoy the source material before I’ll get involved with a fandom. Despite being a fannish butterfly, I am not an ATG (“Any Two Guys”) person, and since I’ll read occasional het or menage, or even gen, I’m not always a slash person.

This post did make me think about how I’ve gotten involved with various fandoms over the years and how much or how little influence the tastes of various friends have had on my decision to watch the source material and become further involved in fandom.

I was going to set up a poll, but then I realized I’d have a hard time answering “yes” or “no” to my own questions. So here are my questions, and my own answers.

Q: Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom without ever having seen/read the source material?



A very qualified yes: “The Professionals”. It was impossible to find high quality videotapes of these episodes in the 80s; it was painful to even try to watch 20th generation camera copies. Every fan party I attended in the mid-80s was awash in photocopies of Pros circuit stories, some by some of my favorite Star Trek writers. I read a few stories by those specific authors, then I didn’t bother reading Pros again until I saw good quality episodes. Once I saw Bodie and Doyle in action, heard their voices, learned the cadences of their speech and saw the way they moved, I was hooked. But until I became familiar with them, the stories felt very flat.

Q. Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom while being indifferent to the source material?

No. I had several friends who did their best to pimp me into “Starsky and Hutch”. They all left Kirk/Spock at the same time for S/H. They showed me lots of their favorite episodes and loaned me quantities of their favorite fic. It never took. I don’t know why; “Starsky and Hutch” is slash on a plate, but nothing about the show or the characters “does it” for me.

Q. Have you ever really enjoyed the source material, read the work of specific authors into a fandom, and yet have no interest in the fandom as a whole?

Yes. A couple of my favorite authors from other fandoms started writing Harry Potter fic awhile back. I’ve read and enjoyed all the HP books and movies, yet I have zero desire to participate in this fandom. But I have read, thoroughly enjoyed, have recced and will read stories by these people in this (or any other) fandom. I’ve never had the slightest urge to go find any more HP fic on my own.

Digression: if you want a truly kickass WONDERFUL crossover, here’s an awesome Supernatural/Harry Potter crossover:

Old Country by Astolat

http://intimations.org/fanfic/supernatural/Old%20Country.html

Q. Have you ever been strenuously pimped by your friends into another fandom and immediately fell in love with the source material.

Yes, “Due South”; that show had me on my first viewing. But, LOL, when all my friends jumped to RayK I stayed with RayV - though in recent years I’m willing to read on both sides of the fence, as it were. And I’ve discovered a particular liking for RayV/RayK, or RayV/Fraser/RayK.

Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie before your friends and busily pimped the source material to them in the hopes that a fandom would ensue?

Yes, Smallville. I watched the first episode and raved about it to all my friends. It was fun being there from the very beginning.

Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie and tried to pimp it to your friends only to find out that they’d just gotten into it as well and were about to pimp right back?

Yes, Garak/Bashir (Deep Space 9).

Q: Have you ever been part of a mass migration into another fandom?

Yes, “The Sentinel”. It came along at a time when I was “ready for a new fandom”, and I found a lot of my friends migrating along with me. I was very surprised to find people in TS fandom that I hadn’t heard from/of since the 1980s, who had either been spending their time in fandoms I didn’t frequent, or had gafiated for awhile. Every once in awhile there’s a fandom which exerts almost a black-hole like force, drawing in all sorts of people, and “The Sentinel” was definitely one of those.

I bet as soon as I post this I’ll think of more questions. But that does it for now...

Comments

Interesting, Cat! :)

I find that I don't need the source material all the time for my interest. I've only seen a few episodes of MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E. and none of PROS, just vids, and yet have read quite a few stories in these fandoms over the years.

But I get needing a 'pull'. For you, S/H doesn't do it. For me, despite watching several episodes and seeing just why people slash them, Jim/Blair never did it for me. Chemistry is very elusuve, and there are some reasons you can analyze it (the characters' personalities, the show's theme, setting, etc.), but in the end it's like love: no one really knows why a person falls in love with someone completely unsuited for them and ignores the suitable one, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. :)

Friends have pimped me into a few fandoms but mostly I go my own way. :)

Oh, and your comments about Due South? I could be saying them! :) I was very defensive about Ray V. because of the way he was dismissed by a lot of Ray K. fans in the beginning, but now I'm not as deeply into the fandom, yet still read stories on-line. I find the Rays together to be very sizzling hot, and can buy the threesome! But Benny/Ray V. remain my fave pairing. :)

I've never been part of a mass migration, but I have been in on the ground floor of Due South, for example. Except for Trek and DS in its heyday, and SW, I generally are in smaller, more obscure fandoms. Comics fandom is big on LJ but virtually invisible at cons like Media West.
Chemistry is very elusuve, and there are some reasons you can analyze it (the characters' personalities, the show's theme, setting, etc.), but in the end it's like love: no one really knows why a person falls in love with someone completely unsuited for them and ignores the suitable one, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. :)

Exactly - it's all about chemistry. I've used the "falling in love" analogy myself. Why do I "fall in love" with one slash pairing and not another, with one fandom and not another? After all the analysis is done, it still is a mystery.

Oh, and your comments about Due South? I could be saying them! :)

Smile! I think we both survived the Ray Wars. I, too, was defensive about RayV "back in the day", but I had some good conversations with the people who pimped me into DS in the first place - all of them went over to RayK - and I began to understand RayK a lot better. But I never could abandon RayV; when I found the Ray/Ray stories they acted as a "bridge" to me, allowing me to get into RayK's head in a way that just reading 3rd season fic didn't. So now I'll read recced Fraser/RayK stories. But whenever a good Fraser/RayV story comes along, I am so there.

>>>Comics fandom is big on LJ but virtually invisible at cons like Media West.

I hadn't even been aware there was a big comics fandom until I joined crack_van and saw all kinds of recs for comics fic. I've read several good Smallville stories which bring Bruce Wayne into that universe; some of them are so good it's hard to remember Batman isn't in the Smallville world.

Gah! I typo'ed in my posting! :)

"Falling in love" is a great way of putting it!

Are you on some of the DS comms? You can check my Profile Page and see some. :) Some really good fic is still being written!

Bah on WB for not putting Bruce in SV! But movie or comicsverse Bruce works quite well. :)

I've been a comics fan forever, eschewing canon after the big blow-up in '86, but I never stopped loving the characters. I was thrilled to find such a thriving fandom here! It's a huge universe, what with reboots and retcons and eras and Elseworlds... ;) And so many characters and pairings! Something for everyone! :)

I tend to write a lot of pre-Crisis characterization but in contemporary settings, though I like to dabble in past eras, too.





Bah on WB for not putting Bruce in SV! But movie or comicsverse Bruce works quite well. :)

They don't have the rights to Batman - the movie people have them all sewn up. Ditto for Wonder Woman. Smallville can't contractually use either character.

, eschewing canon after the big blow-up in '86,

Could you give me the short story of what happened - or point me to a site which explains? I got out of comics in the early 80s; I found I could afford fanzines or comic books but not both.

It's a huge universe, what with reboots and retcons and eras and Elseworlds... ;) And so many characters and pairings! Something for everyone! :)

I remember it was Superman that introduced me to the concept of AUs. There were always so many wonderful branching possibilities, and it sounds like there have been about a zillion more since the last time I checked in. :-)

I tend to write a lot of pre-Crisis characterization but in contemporary settings, though I like to dabble in past eras, too.

I'm looking forward to checking out your writing - thanks for the recs in your other post.
Bah on WB for not putting Bruce in SV! But movie or comicsverse Bruce works quite well. :)

They don't have the rights to Batman - the movie people have them all sewn up. Ditto for Wonder Woman. Smallville can't contractually use either character.


Yeah. Seems weird, though, since all the characters are owned by the same company!

eschewing canon after the big blow-up in '86,

Could you give me the short story of what happened - or point me to a site which explains? I got out of comics in the early 80s; I found I could afford fanzines or comic books but not both.


Wikipedia is pretty reliable in this case. Type in Crisis on Infinite Earths. I'm pretty sure there's an entry there for that.

Quick summary: in 1986 DC blew up all the multiverse. Remember there was Earth-1 (Silver/Bronze Age heroes) and Earth-2 (Golden Age heroes) in addition to other Earths. They made one Earth, and killed off dozens of characters, including the original Supergirl and Barry Allen, Silver Age Flash, just to name a few.

Wonder Woman's origin was changed, and her former boyfriend (who had been married to her on Earth-2 and finally got to marry her on Earth-1 just before COIE), Steve Trevor, was made several years older than his former self and eventually married off to Etta Candy. Now they've got some Trevor wannabe, Tom Tresser, blond and working for the Government *rolls eyes* as Diana's romantic interest.

The Clark/Bruce friendship was no more, and they were more hostile than friendly for many years. Only recently have they become friends again, even starring in books like Superman/Batman. You should check out the S/B Annual #1, fondly known as Brokeback Titanic. ;) #3 is out on January 21st.

The regular comic comes out every six weeks or so.

Anyway, now there is the multiverse again. Don't try to make too much sense out of stuff. You'll get a popsicle headache! ;) I generally write with only basic canon. The Battle for the Cowl affects all the Bat-books in recent issues (Bruce supposedly dead) and Final Crisis is the big whoop-de-do right now. ;)

You can still enjoy the stories and art in the DCU fandom even if you don't know the canon very well.

And AUs are abundant! ;)

I'm looking forward to checking out your writing - thanks for the recs in your other post.

Great! I hope you enjoy them! :)
>>>They don't have the rights to Batman - the movie people have them all sewn up. Ditto for Wonder Woman. Smallville can't contractually use either character.
>>>>Yeah. Seems weird, though, since all the characters are owned by the same company!

I think whoever is producing the Batman movies sewed up exclusive rights to the character years ago. There are tons of Smallville fans who were campaigning to have Bruce on the series, but they just couldn't do it.

Re Wonder Woman, by the time Smallville started including other characters, like Flash and Aquaman, a production company had purchased exclusive rights to produce movies based on that character - though whether or not we'll see it is another matter entirely.

>>>Quick summary: in 1986 DC blew up all the multiverse. Remember there was Earth-1 (Silver/Bronze Age heroes) and Earth-2 (Golden Age heroes) in addition to other Earths. They made one Earth, and killed off dozens of characters, including the original Supergirl and Barry Allen, Silver Age Flash, just to name a few.

Oh yuk. That would have pissed me off big time. In fact I think I remember hearing about this at the time, and it put me off into ever reading comic books again.

>>>Wonder Woman's origin was changed, and her former boyfriend (who had been married to her on Earth-2 and finally got to marry her on Earth-1 just before COIE), Steve Trevor, was made several years older than his former self and eventually married off to Etta Candy. Now they've got some Trevor wannabe, Tom Tresser, blond and working for the Government *rolls eyes* as Diana's romantic interest.

Ewww! Just his name alone! Gah!

>>>>The Clark/Bruce friendship was no more

That is just plain *wrong*.

Thanks for the quick update! Let's hear it for fandom; we can always "make right what once went wrong".

>>>Only recently have they become friends again, even starring in books like Superman/Batman. You should check out the S/B Annual #1, fondly known as Brokeback Titanic. ;) #3 is out on January 21st.

Love the nickname! Sounds like something I'd love to read.

>>>Anyway, now there is the multiverse again.

LOL, why am I not surprised? I think that was inevitable.
There's a Wonder Woman animated movie due out in March with what looks to be the orignal version of Steve. Don't know if they'll go the romantic route, though.

As for a feature film for Wondy, forget it! The WB thinks that women can't carry films as leads.

Oh, pimping here. If you enjoy Wondy, I run a comm called wonderwomanlove which is all WW: fic, art, news, het, gen, femslash... :)

I was really upset when I lost my Supergirl! And Barry! And so many others. And the Clark/Bruce friendship! I don't buy current comics now except for one-shots like the S/B Annual, the bimonthly S/B, and a year-long series called Trinity that works on the premise that if the Trinity is gone (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman) what would the world be like?

I can't buy the WW book! Not with frat boy Tresser in it!

There is this AWESOME special book called The New Frontier, written and drawn by Darwyn Cooke, which delves into the disappearance of the 'mystery men' (Golden Age superheroes) and how the Silver Age heroes are born (Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, etc.), and how Clark and Bruce struggle to survive as Clark works with the Government and Bruce is declared an outlaw. Wonder Woman quits working for the U.S. after what she sees going on in Indochina in the early '50s, and there's a wonderful scene of Dick's first meeting with Clark in this series.

The artwork is pure Silver Age! :) My icon is of the cover.

People in DCU (and Marvel) fandom are ignoring canon more-and-more and writing what WE want to read! :)
Oh, and the fact that characters died was bad enough, but to say that they never existed ticked me off so much I quit reading comics until I found on-line fandom again in 2006.

Marvel killed of Captain America a few years ago! Butchers! :(
That is even *worse* than wrong.

I'm very much looking forward to the next Trek film next May, but I sure hope one of the wilder rumors is NOT true: That they plan to alter history so the TOS timeline never existed, and this new Kirk and Spock and company will basically "reboot" and lead different lives. Just the idea ticks me off.
Argh!! Are you kidding me? Of course you aren't! That sounds like something Hollywood would do!

I know that actors and directors have big egos, but why bother with source material if you're going to change everything that people liked about it in the first place?

And as far as Trek goes, people can quote the episodes chapter and verse, whether young or old! They could have tons of fun referencing stuff or foreshadowing!

I seriously doubt I'm going to see this movie. The original is too much a part of me, and if they pretend it never existed? Screw them!
Right now that's just a rumor - and it just doesn't make any sense to me. What's the point of having a "putting right what went wrong" time travel story if everything gets changed anyway? So I'm hoping this is fannish hysteria - before I heard this rumor I was very enthusiastic about this movie. I think Quinto looks perfect for the part of Spock, and I'm delighted Nimoy is involved. *keeping my fingers crossed*
I can't get past Sylar as Spock! LOL! He squicks me big time, so I doubt I'd be reading or writing very much 'new version' K/S. :)

I hope the rumor is just hysteria. A time travel story is what Classic Trek always did well, so let's hope the new version can get it even halfway right.
I started watching Heroes after hearing of his selection for Spock, what a contrast!

Up until I heard that rumor, everything sounded really good for the new movie - every indication was they had respect for the original series. So I'm sure hoping it's just a rumor.

Nimoy is very pleased with and proud of Quinto. I wrote about their convention appearance some months back, where Nimoy gave Quinto the Number One Vulcan shirt that Nimoy has worn to conventions for the past many years. It was a wonderful moment, and Quinto seemed very moved.
Ha! Should have checked your Profile. You are on DS comms.

ds_closet is good, too. :)
Thanks, I'll add that one. :-)
This is very interesting. It has made me think of something that I have never thought of before...how did I get into certain fandoms.

I would have to say it has soley been me and television. Wanting my favorited shows to continue and never die. To see my favorite characters in relationship that have maybe never been realized.

Odd...I have never exactly followed friends to enter new fandoms. If I joined a new fandom it was based on a show I was already quite familar with. As you remember I about flipped out when I discovered the pairing of the Admiral and Crane in Voyage.

The only exception is when I kept bumping into Sentinel fanfic in my search for K/S. I loved the stories than actively tracked down the show.

If anything I have disliked the mentality of either or. I have known those who thought you must be faithful to one show or one pairing. Life is too exciting - variety is good.

I have read stories rec by friends in other fandoms outside of my personal ones. And there are some I really enjoyed though I never followed through with the fandom itself. And I have some favorite writers that I love their work, but I will still not read their work in other fandoms.

What is so mind-boggling is the amount of fanfic out there. For sanity sake I think you have to limit your fandoms - or reading at least. Time is too limited.
The Admiral and Lee! Love under-the-sea! ;)

Absolutely agree about variety! I know some people can only handle one fandom or pairing at a time. I have 'hot' periods for my fandoms, but I never truly abandon them. I have been reading/loving K/S for years, Jim/Artie from Wild Wild West, and loads of others! And the comics...well, I loved them ever since I learned how to read! :)

Even just in comics fandom I write many pairings.
I have 'hot' periods for my fandoms, but I never truly abandon them

I never abandon my fandoms either. I think I have the "harem" mentality to fandoms vs. serial monogamy - I just keep adding more. ;-)

Some of my favorite fandoms - Wiseguy, Crockett/Castillo of Miami Vice, even Garak/Bashir - have been small fandoms, so it was easy to keep up on what was going on. Every once in awhile a new G/B story pops up; I've read a couple of excellent ones recently by prelocandkanar

I never abandon my fandoms either. I think I have the "harem" mentality to fandoms vs. serial monogamy - I just keep adding more. ;-)

LOL! Great description! :)
Ohhhhh, comics. Batman and Robin and I go way back. It was one of the aids that helped me cope with dyslexia. If you have some of my Bat just point me in the right direction.

Jim and Artie are another two I never realized this pairing until I cam across zines. Yum.
Ohhhhh, comics. Batman and Robin and I go way back. It was one of the aids that helped me cope with dyslexia. If you have some of my Bat just point me in the right direction.

Famous last words before you sink under the weight of DC fandom! ;)

But, seriously, batknights is a Bruce/Dick comm with tons of goodies! If you're not a B/D slasher, then you might like a comm that slashes both guys with others, batfic. You can find a long list of DC comms at superhero_muses and dcu_fandomguide.

For my own Bruce/Dick fics, check out the Batman/Robin page on my LJ, and for a sprinkling of gen fics, check the Potpourri page.

Jim and Artie are another two I never realized this pairing until I cam across zines. Yum.

They are delish, aren't they? :) I've written a few drabbles for them on the Potpourri page.



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Thank you! I have read some B/D. This will be nice. And I will join the communities.

What a pleasant surprise.
Excellent! There's a lot of goodies out there. I think you'll have a good time. :)
I would have to say it has soley been me and television. Wanting my favorited shows to continue and never die. To see my favorite characters in relationship that have maybe never been realized.

Agreed. Before I discovered fandom, I still remembered my favorite shows from the 60s - Trek, of course, and Man From UNCLE and Dark Shadows - and made up "what happened next?" and hurt/comfort scenarios and "get them together" storylines in my head. I just never wrote them down. Once I found fandom, I started writing them down.

As you remember I about flipped out when I discovered the pairing of the Admiral and Crane in Voyage.

:-) That reminds me of one Escapade - a friend had made a Admiral/Crane vid, showed it at the vid show, and sparked quite a surge of interest in the fandom. Music vids can be absolutely the best pimping tool. For VTTBTS, since so many of us at that con had seen the show as kids, but most of us had been too young to think about the slash possibilities. That vid was quite the eye-opener. That fandom was never huge, but there was quite a bit of fic written in the year or so after that vid premiered.

The only exception is when I kept bumping into Sentinel fanfic in my search for K/S. I loved the stories than actively tracked down the show.

Sentinel was absolutely everywhere for awhile - what a cornucopia! I had such a good time in that fandom; it's one of the few where I travelled quite a ways (Vancouver!) to go to an actor convention. I still enjoy reading the fic very much.

If anything I have disliked the mentality of either or. I have known those who thought you must be faithful to one show or one pairing. Life is too exciting - variety is good.

Variety is very good. :-) I've never been an either/or person; I've never, not once, been a single fandom person.

What is so mind-boggling is the amount of fanfic out there. For sanity sake I think you have to limit your fandoms - or reading at least. Time is too limited.

Agreed - there's so much good fic out there it's impossible to keep up. I tend to rely on recs from friends, and crack_van. (I like reading Buffy/Spike, for example, and that pairing is being recced on crack_van this month.) I feel that by relying on recs I am reading the best of the best.
Vids are a wonderful way to pimp a fandom. ;-)

Buffy/Spike did have a passionate relationship on the show. I may check out the crack_van recs.
>>>Vids are a wonderful way to pimp a fandom. ;-)

One of the best! With a good vid you get canon images and a well-chosen song is a great way to highlight a relationship.

First part of response

I was going to set up a poll, but then I realized I’d have a hard time answering “yes” or “no” to my own questions. So here are my questions, and my own answers.

Q: Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom without ever having seen/read the source material?

A very qualified yes: “The Professionals”. It was impossible to find high quality videotapes of these episodes in the 80s; it was painful to even try to watch 20th generation camera copies. Every fan party I attended in the mid-80s was awash in photocopies of Pros circuit stories, some by some of my favorite Star Trek writers. I read a few stories by those specific authors, then I didn’t bother reading Pros again until I saw good quality episodes. Once I saw Bodie and Doyle in action, heard their voices, learned the cadences of their speech and saw the way they moved, I was hooked. But until I became familiar with them, the stories felt very flat.


Pros is the only fandom I've gotten into without having seen the source material first, too. A good friend of mine from Lancer sent me a Pros story (The Cook and the Warehouseman,) because she knew I liked science fiction and she knew I was into slash. I loved the story, so started reading more of Helen Raven's stuff. From there, it was a short jump to reading other Pros authors. But my reaction was the reverse of yours. The stories always sparkled for me, which became a problem later when I tried writing them. The stories I've read did, and still do, overlay any image I have of the characters from now having watched the show.


Q. Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom while being indifferent to the source material?

No. I had several friends who did their best to pimp me into “Starsky and Hutch”. They all left Kirk/Spock at the same time for S/H. They showed me lots of their favorite episodes and loaned me quantities of their favorite fic. It never took. I don’t know why; “Starsky and Hutch” is slash on a plate, but nothing about the show or the characters “does it” for me.


Hmm, not really.

Q. Have you ever really enjoyed the source material, read the work of specific authors into a fandom, and yet have no interest in the fandom as a whole?

Yes. A couple of my favorite authors from other fandoms started writing Harry Potter fic awhile back. I’ve read and enjoyed all the HP books and movies, yet I have zero desire to participate in this fandom. But I have read, thoroughly enjoyed, have recced and will read stories by these people in this (or any other) fandom. I’ve never had the slightest urge to go find any more HP fic on my own.


There's been a few times that's happened. I've read stories in TS and S/H, enjoyed them immensely, but never cared to carry it further than that.

Re: First part of response

>>>But my reaction was the reverse of yours. The stories always sparkled for me, which became a problem later when I tried writing them. The stories I've read did, and still do, overlay any image I have of the characters from now having watched the show.

That's fascinating! But now that I think about it, that's exactly what happens when I rewatch canon. I'm now so influenced by the fic in my fandoms that when I rewatch canon I see the episodes in entirely different ways.

And now the rest

Q. Have you ever been strenuously pimped by your friends into another fandom and immediately fell in love with the source material.

Yes, “Due South”; that show had me on my first viewing. But, LOL, when all my friends jumped to RayK I stayed with RayV - though in recent years I’m willing to read on both sides of the fence, as it were. And I’ve discovered a particular liking for RayV/RayK, or RayV/Fraser/RayK.


Lol, in a way with Pros. The whole "I know you like science fiction so I think you'll love this story" turned out to be a bit of a ruse. Once I finally did see the source material, there was no turning back.

Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie before your friends and busily pimped the source material to them in the hopes that a fandom would ensue?

Yes, Smallville. I watched the first episode and raved about it to all my friends. It was fun being there from the very beginning.


No, all the fandoms I'm in were firmly established by the time I got to them because the shows are old. And I rarely if ever see anything remotely slashy in the relationships between two male protagonists on the newer shows I watch.

Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie and tried to pimp it to your friends only to find out that they’d just gotten into it as well and were about to pimp right back?

Yes, Garak/Bashir (Deep Space 9).


No.

Q: Have you ever been part of a mass migration into another fandom?

Yes, “The Sentinel”. It came along at a time when I was “ready for a new fandom”, and I found a lot of my friends migrating along with me. I was very surprised to find people in TS fandom that I hadn’t heard from/of since the 1980s, who had either been spending their time in fandoms I didn’t frequent, or had gafiated for awhile. Every once in awhile there’s a fandom which exerts almost a black-hole like force, drawing in all sorts of people, and “The Sentinel” was definitely one of those.


Again, no. I have to admit, I've worked at not getting into too many fandoms. At last count, I have four major fandoms (K/S, Pros, UNCLE and Lancer,) and four minor ones (DC-Bruce/Dick, Swordspoint, Alexander and, stretching it a bit, Highlander.) They take up more than enough of my time. *g*

Re: And now the rest

>>>Again, no. I have to admit, I've worked at not getting into too many fandoms.

During the late 80s and mid-90s I got into several rather smallish fandoms - Wiseguy, Crockett/Castillo (Miami Vice), Garak/Bashir (Deep Space 9) and Phantom of the Opera, while still, of course, staying with K/S and Pros, and also Beauty and the Beast, which was *huge* in the early 90s.

As time went on stories in the smaller fandoms were few and far between, and "Beauty and the Beast" burned itself out, so by the time The Sentinel came along, I was definitely ready for something new. I thought the show was amazingly slashy the first time I watched an episode. I talked it up with friends and found they'd all "gotten the bug" the same time I did.

The Sentinel is the only time where I was part of the "migration". Lately, I haven't had much time for new fandoms, though if I had the time I could be seriously involved with Supernatural and Stargate Atlantis. As it is, I read some of the fic, but not as much as I would like. So many fandoms, so little time... :-)

Re: And now the rest

During the late 80s and mid-90s I got into several rather smallish fandoms - Wiseguy, Crockett/Castillo (Miami Vice), Garak/Bashir (Deep Space 9) and Phantom of the Opera, while still, of course, staying with K/S and Pros, and also Beauty and the Beast, which was *huge* in the early 90s.

I picked up a few B&tB zines in the early 90s but never connected with the fandom because I didn't have a computer at the time. By the sounds of it, I'm glad I didn't. When I finally did manage to hook up with it, I think it was already on its way out. Plus, I found that too often the stories were slanted way too much toward Vincent saving a helpless Catherine, making her weaker than she ever was on the show.

My comments on my LJ on this are here.

“The Professionals”. It was impossible to find high quality videotapes of these episodes in the 80s; it was painful to even try to watch 20th generation camera copies.

Do you remember how awful those copies were? The first time I saw Pros - I think it was still on air in the UK at the time - the nth generation videotape was so bad I couldn't even make out faces. I didn't get into the fandom till I'd seen better copies.

>>>Do you remember how awful those copies were?

Horrible! I felt like my glasses were smeared with vaseline and the sound was so bad that I might as well been listening to TV from underneath the surface of a swimming pool. To make matters worse, one of the first episodes I was shown was "Discovered in a Graveyard", which was murky to start with.

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Q: Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom without ever having seen/read the source material?

No. I have zero interest in fic if I don't know and like the source - it does absolutely nothing for me.

Q. Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom while being indifferent to the source material?

No. See above.

Q. Have you ever really enjoyed the source material, read the work of specific authors into a fandom, and yet have no interest in the fandom as a whole?

Not so much with the specific authors as specific themes, but I loved Highlander (Methos in particular) and enjoyed a few stories quite a lot. But I came in very late, when its heyday was long over, and participating in the fandom held no appeal to me. Maybe because I didn't find much fic that was to my tastes, and I didn't feel passionate enough about it to make it worth the effort.

Q. Have you ever been strenuously pimped by your friends into another fandom and immediately fell in love with the source material.

Only once, and that was SGA - a friend showed me a few eps, and I was hooked immediately. I can't remember another fandom I was actively pimped into. Well, friends pimped Coldfire to me, but only the books, not the fandom - they weren't in the fandom themselves. I went there on my own after falling for the books. *g*

Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie before your friends and busily pimped the source material to them in the hopes that a fandom would ensue?

TV & book fandoms, yes - Coldfire and Neverwhere. But my pimping efforts are sadly not very successful. *g*

Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie and tried to pimp it to your friends only to find out that they’d just gotten into it as well and were about to pimp right back?

I almost said that never happened to me, but yes - I think just about everyone I know fell in love with the Sarah Connor Chronicles at the same time, and we all tried to pimp it to each other. Still, most of us never were active in the fandom despite that. Which is a shame, really.

Q: Have you ever been part of a mass migration into another fandom?

The closest I've come is SGA, and it depends on how you define "part of". The mass movement of HP fans into SGA was several months after I was already there, but I was a HP fan who moved into SGA as well, so ... *shrugs* I guess you can call it close enough.

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>>>but I loved Highlander (Methos in particular) and enjoyed a few stories quite a lot. But I came in very late, when its heyday was long over, and participating in the fandom held no appeal to me. Maybe because I didn't find much fic that was to my tastes, and I didn't feel passionate enough about it to make it worth the effort.

I had the same experience with Highlander; I came in very late. A friend pimped me into the fandom because of Methos, and he was my main fannish focus in that fandom. I read some very good stories, all recced by friends, but I didn't go looking for more.

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Q. Have you ever been strenuously pimped by your friends into another fandom and immediately fell in love with the source material.
>>>Only once, and that was SGA - a friend showed me a few eps, and I was hooked immediately.


I had the same experience with SGA; lots of my friends were raving about it; it was the main topic of discussion at a couple of our local slash parties, so when a friend invited me to her house to watch a few of her favorite episodes, I jumped at the chance. We had a wonderful fannish party, and after watching a few episodes I was hooked.

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Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie before your friends and busily pimped the source material to them in the hopes that a fandom would ensue?
>>>>TV & book fandoms, yes - Coldfire and Neverwhere. But my pimping efforts are sadly not very successful. *g*


Oh, too bad! I've never had to do a lot of pimping; my friends and I tend to be on similar wavelengths so chances are good that we'll love the same shows.

Other people are better pimpers than I am, anyway. :-) I was in several small fandoms in the 90s - Crockett/Castillo (Miami Vice) and Wiseguy - but there were other people in those fandoms spreading the word so though I did my share, I realized that as a "pimper", I'm not all that good at it.

>>>>Q: Have you ever been part of a mass migration into another fandom?
>>>>The closest I've come is SGA, and it depends on how you define "part of". The mass movement of HP fans into SGA was several months after I was already there, but I was a HP fan who moved into SGA as well, so ... *shrugs* I guess you can call it close enough.

I'd say that makes you a pioneer. :-)

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I'd say that makes you a pioneer. :-)

Not by half - the real pioneers were there half a year before me. *g*

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*g* In recent years I'm always late to the party. I got into SGA halfway through Season 2.
Q: Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom without ever having seen/read the source material?

No, I need to see the source material. I can make limited exception with stories which are based on legends, or comics, like Superman. Where I'll read a little bit, knowing the background sources, but I can't really get into things until I've seen the actual source and how it interprets the mythology.

Q. Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom while being indifferent to the source material?

No never. If I'm indifferent I just can't be bothered. I might watch a show with a friend is she's interested, but that's about as far as it goes.

Q. Have you ever really enjoyed the source material, read the work of specific authors into a fandom, and yet have no interest in the fandom as a whole?

Yes, there are a lot of shows, books I enjoy a lot, but I'm just not interested in the fandom. Not that the fandom is bad, it's just I don't feel the need to seek it out.

Q. Have you ever been strenuously pimped by your friends into another fandom and immediately fell in love with the source material.

Umm, I don't think so. I usually come at things by myself. The more a person pimps things to me, the more likely I'm resistent. That's the reason I'm not involved with SPN or Heroes. Then the things I heard about the show after made me grateful I didn't bother.

Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie before your friends and busily pimped the source material to them in the hopes that a fandom would ensue?

I've tried, but success is 50/50. I got to pick the friend. If I know a friend loves that genre, it's probably easier, of if a friend liked a similar thing before, then yeah. These days I'm less pimpy then I used to be.

Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie and tried to pimp it to your friends only to find out that they’d just gotten into it as well and were about to pimp right back?

Not that I can recall. Maybe.

Q: Have you ever been part of a mass migration into another fandom?

Yes, but more by accident of interest, if that make sense, then by design because it was a 'mass migration'.





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Q: Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom without ever having seen/read the source material?
>>>>No, I need to see the source material. I can make limited exception with stories which are based on legends, or comics, like Superman. Where I'll read a little bit, knowing the background sources, but I can't really get into things until I've seen the actual source and how it interprets the mythology.


Superman is a very good example; most people are at least familiar with the character, so something like Smallville would have already had a pre-built-in potential audience. As you said, it's all about how the mythology is interpreted.

>>>Q. Have you ever been strenuously pimped by your friends into another fandom and immediately fell in love with the source material.
>>>Umm, I don't think so. I usually come at things by myself. The more a person pimps things to me, the more likely I'm resistent.

I have a problem with the "hard sell" too. There's definitely such a thing as being pimped too much.
Well, I don't at all consider it "a given that fans follow their friends and favorite authors from fandom to fandom, and the actual TV show/movie/book/whatever is almost irrelevant."

I've gotten into far too many fandoms all on my own--drawn by genre, characters, relationships, setting, theme, production values and quality, or any combination thereof--and I never find the source material irrelevant. On those occasions where I am exposed to the fandom first, I always, always have to find access to the text as soon as possible. I *need* to know the canon before getting too far into the fandom. And, like you, if it's a television or film fandom, I have to know what the characters look like, sound like, move like, etc.

That said, I have followed others into fandoms (and drawn some into them myself). I have followed one of my oldest friends into many fandoms, including some that I didn't think at first would interest me--because our tastes have always been very similar and she's never led me astray. I've followed authors, artists, and zine editors into other fandoms, in search of known quality. But there still has to be something in the source text to cement the relationship. So I've also done the opposite--ignored fandoms that favorites have gone into, because I discovered they held no appeal for me.

Like you, Cat, I was exposed to Pros fandom in the early 80s, but it didn't take. In fact, I was actively avoiding it, because I just didn't *need* another fandom (common fannish lament). Until I walked into the Dealers' Room at a ZCon and saw Jean Clissold's artwork for "Cat Tales" up on the wall. I'm very visual and as much a sucker for great fan art and beautiful zines as I am for great fan fiction. So that art pulled me right over, and something in my head just went "click." I bought that zine and then went around the room buying up other Pros zines. When I got back to my room and showed them to my friend (the one who usually pulls me into fandoms), she went right down to the Dealers' Room and bought them herself.

Then there was "Blake's 7" fandom. Of which I had seen, I think, exactly one episode (and that inadvertently was the final episode of the series, so I was very confused). One day my friend brought over some issues of "B7 Complex" (the first North American B7 zine). I took one look at the third issue, with it's hand-silkscreened color cover and interior artwork on parchment pages--and I had to have my own copy. The editor, Deb Walsh, very smartly included episode synopses of eps relevant to the stories in the zine, so I wasn't too lost until I was able to see the episodes.

But, again, I would not have *stayed* in any of those fandoms if there wasn't something about the genre, characters, relationships, setting, theme, production values and quality, etc. to keep me there.
>>>Well, I don't at all consider it "a given that fans follow their friends and favorite authors from fandom to fandom, and the actual TV show/movie/book/whatever is almost irrelevant."

That comment (by the original poster) baffled me so much that I decided to write up this post about it. It is *so* not my experience, nor the experience of a lot of other people I know.

>>>That said, I have followed others into fandoms (and drawn some into them myself). I have followed one of my oldest friends into many fandoms, including some that I didn't think at first would interest me--because our tastes have always been very similar and she's never led me astray.

Oh yes, absolutely. I've had a wonderful time wandering through a lot of different fandoms over the years, and almost without exception (Smallville being one exception) it was because friends of mine, whose tastes I shared, introduced me to the shows and the fic.

>>>But there still has to be something in the source text to cement the relationship. So I've also done the opposite--ignored fandoms that favorites have gone into, because I discovered they held no appeal for me.

Yes, exactly. If the source text doesn't do it for me, no amount of pimping will get me into the fandom.

>>>Like you, Cat, I was exposed to Pros fandom in the early 80s, but it didn't take. In fact, I was actively avoiding it, because I just didn't *need* another fandom (common fannish lament).

LOL, I say that quite often, particularly in recent years, because life just seems to keep getting busier and busier.

>>>I'm very visual and as much a sucker for great fan art and beautiful zines as I am for great fan fiction.

Ditto. Great fan art (and great music vids) have tempted me to explore fandoms that I wouldn't otherwise have looked into.

>>>Then there was "Blake's 7" fandom. Of which I had seen, I think, exactly one episode (and that inadvertently was the final episode of the series, so I was very confused).

Me too! A friend has having a weekend long fan party at her house, and the theme was "show one episode of your favorite show". One person chose to show the final episode of "Blake's 7". I swore up and down I'd never watch that show again - and then a friend finally convinced me to watch from the beginning, and, well, I got sucked right in.

>>>But, again, I would not have *stayed* in any of those fandoms if there wasn't something about the genre, characters, relationships, setting, theme, production values and quality, etc. to keep me there.

Exactly. I'm happy to dabble, but I need all of that to convince me to stay.

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Q: Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom without ever having seen/read the source material?

My best friend started me in several fandoms because I beta all of her fic. There's only one of them that I haven't seen any source canon for that I've actually written fic for, but it was extremely AU in setting so I felt more comfortable doing that, and working with the one character she'd drilled into my brain. But otherwise, no.

Q. Have you ever followed friends/favorite authors into a fandom while being indifferent to the source material?

I'm going to talk about my best friend again because she got me into fandom lol. We were together in Fandom A for about two years before she began to pursue other interests, and it actually took us about eight years before we found Fandom B, which we could both share again. I've been on the outskirts of all of her fandoms, simply because she likes to discuss them with me, but I was too indifferent to the source material to join the fandom.

Q. Have you ever really enjoyed the source material, read the work of specific authors into a fandom, and yet have no interest in the fandom as a whole?

I have to agree with you here-- mine is Harry Potter. There are a few other series I'll read for and not write for-- one is Kim Possible. I just can't deal with those large, varied, scary fandoms.

Q. Have you ever been strenuously pimped by your friends into another fandom and immediately fell in love with the source material?

Fandom B from above, the fandom we're both sharing, was something she really pushed me into, sharing fic and art with me and babysitting me through the canon. It's a video game fandom, and I haven't played video games seriously in years, so I was really reluctant, but then I fell in love with the fandom (the people in this fandom are phenomenally friendly, smart, hilarious, and talented), so I had to finish the darn game to get the rest of my canon straight. XD

Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie before your friends and busily pimped the source material to them in the hopes that a fandom would ensue?

I have tried a bit in different fandoms, but it's never stuck. I've had one primary fandom for about ten years and that's the only thing I try to get people into regularly, but as you can see, it's an old fandom-- either you've read it long ago and participate, or you're probably never going to.

Q. Have you ever gotten into a TV show/movie and tried to pimp it to your friends only to find out that they’d just gotten into it as well and were about to pimp right back?

No. I don't consume a lot of media, except books, so anything I get into, I have been pimped into.

Q: Have you ever been part of a mass migration into another fandom?

My fandom sort of grew and morphed and wandered off... the main characters in it are now main characters in another related fandom, and that's where most of my fandom went. I stayed firmly in place, but "visit" the new fandom from time to time.

This was a fascinating post btw.
I wrote an answer in my journal but I only found out again that I'm a boring monofandom person :)))

Fannish Migration

I first found fandom activity the first day I got the internet back in 1994/5. At that time I was hooked on series Forever Knight. I had no slash interest on that show so I read a lot of gen. I was also hooked on X-Files and had a OTP M/K. I added K/Sk after about five years. When the 8/9th seasons tanked for me I was ready for a new fandom when Starsky & Hutch and old and much loved fandom came back on tv in my area and I leapt into S/H. Before it came back on television a close fen writer in X-Files had sent me a zine and there was an S/H story in it and I cringed and didn't go searching the net for any S&H stuff. So I am definitely one of those who needs the source material to lead me in and hold me in a fandom. After another five years of total immersion in S/H fandom I was itchy for something new to read. A writer fen who had migrated from Star Trek to Pros to S/H handed me over her 10th gen Pros tapes and a bunch of zines and that was all she wrote...I had a third fandom. I kept all my X-files and S/H lists and still read daily posted stories in both fandoms (Forever Knight was left in the dust and I never read in that one again...I need at least an OTP or two. One of my favourite X-Files writers migrated into Harry Potter where I could not follow. Another sold me an entire set of The Sentinel episodes after I had read some Jim/Blair in a multi media zine. I enjoyed the series but the pairing never caught my imagination enough for me to read the fan fiction. Over time, as I sought out zines with stories in my three fandoms, I would buy multi media zines and to get my moneys worth I would read every story. I found I could enjoy stories in Due South, Star Trek, Man from Uncle but almost felt squicked by stories with other pairings that I just couldn't see as slash. I found that watching vids (Mary van Dusen makes many good ones in many fandoms) made me want to buy the series' and watch them over again to see if the OTP's suited me because the vid made me almost believe it.

The truth is...I don't want another fandom. I am trying to avoid being a butterfly.

I have recently learned that I can go back and read through my entire collection of X-Files stories without resorting to the source material unless you count that new movie which wasn't very good and certainly didn't have my OTP but maybe you could since it brought X-Files to the forefront of my consciousness again just when I had been in Pros five years...that seems to be my saturation point. I reaquainted myself with fen I had lost touch with but remembered fondly..like old home week.

Artwork can also make me curious about other fandoms but none has drawn me in.
Karen-Leigh