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William Shatner, Gene Roddenberry and K/S

Thanks, tracionn, for posting the link to that recent interview with William Shatner in which he was asked his favourite Kirk conquest. His answer:

“Spock, actually!”


This isn’t anywhere *near* the first time Shatner’s talked about K/S.

Vicky C. (one of the editors of the print fanzine "Nome") was interviewed for Jenna Sinclair's K/S "Legacy" series of print fanzines. The interview was published in Volume II. One of the things she discussed was a TV interview with William Shatner which took place in 1979.

Here's a quote:

"...Bill Boggs was a local talk show guy. He did a live audience talk show on Channel 5 TV (New York). That was before 5 became Fox; at that time it was a local channel. In October or November of 1979 Bill was doing his show and William Shatner was going to be his guest. . . . . The first question was about slash. We were stunned.

Bill, when asked, "What do you think about this trend in fandom, where Kirk and Spock are more than friends?" Bill looked at him, laughed and said, "Well, they're gay, what do you think?" Boggs, not knowing how to react, laughed. We were stunned, but Shatner had broken the ice. Shatner went on to say, there's this sociological thing in the U.S. – “people are uptight about homosexuality. The fact that two men are close to each other can invite speculation that they are more than just friends."

Here’s a link to Jenna’s website, which has info about the K/S Legacy project. These zines, among other things, included interviews with many of the women who first wrote and drew and published K/S back in the 1970s, and taken together give a good history of the early days of K/S fandom.


(“Nome” was published from 1979 to 1991).

Here are Gene Roddenberry's quotes on the subject:

[From: Shatner: Where No Man...: The Authorized Biography of William Shatner (1979)(Chapter 7 - Page 145, 147-8)]

<< We [the interviewers] tell Gene [Roddenberry] something of our recent
interview with Bill [Shatner] and Leonard [Nimoy] - touching on the
Kirk-Spock relationship, and Nimoy's feeling that Kirk was essential to
Spock's life:

"I know you've told us you designed that relationship as 'Two halves
which come together to make a whole'. Is that how you still see it?"

[Roddenberry]: "Oh yes. As I've said, I definitely designed it as a love
relationship. I think that's what we're all about - love, the effort to
reach out to each other. I think that's a lovely thing. Also,
dramatically, I designed Kirk and Spock to complete each other - and in
fact, the Kirk, Spock McCoy triad to be the dramatic embodiment of the
parts of one person: logic, emotion, and the balance between them. You
cannot have an internal monolog on the screen, so that is a way of
personifying it, getting it out where it can be seen - that internal
debate which we all have within. AND I designed Kirk and Spock, as I
told you, as dream images of myself, the two halves. But in terms of the
characters, yes. That closeness... absolutely."

There is also this:

"There's a great deal of writing in the Star Trek movement which
compares the relationship between Alexander and Hephaistion* to the
relationship between Kirk and Spock - focusing on the closeness of the
friendship, the feeling that they would die for one another..."

[Roddenberry]: "Yes, there's certainly some of that - certainly with
love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal...
we never suggested in the series... physical love between the two. But
it's the... we certainly had the feeling that the affection was
sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century."

* A number of early K/S stories depicted them as reincarnations of Alexander and Hephaistion)


I always loved Eva Stuart's two stories, "The Gateway Of the King," and "A Dawn Shall Come," that, instead of depicting Kirk and Spock as Alexander and Hephaistion, have them meet them. Their reactions to each other were so well done.
Those are great stories - now I want to reread them. :-)
Are you trying to make me love you even more than I already do? It's ridiculous how gleeful this post had made me.
Yay for the glee! :-D